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				Marine Air
				Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:51 pm
				by Rockxx
				I'm considering adding marine air to my 28' express and would like to find a used unit at a reasonable price. I've looked at all of the previous post and don't much care for the portable units. In fact, my Son gave me one of the free standing, vent out the window units for Fathers Day but after much measuring and contemplation, I decided my 28' cabin was already snug enough. I don't have a generator other than my Honda 2,000 so I'll have air only when I'm at the dock. I have room under the dinette seat and believe this is were many of these are located.
Since you Guys are full of it, good ideas of course, I'm looking for suggestions. 
 
 
Regards and Merry Christmas to all,
Rockxx I
 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:48 pm
				by bcassedy
				Our boat has a Cruiseaire unit mounted under the aft dinette seat (we have the fwd/port/aft seating set up) on our '88 sedan bridge.  The unit's a bit long in the tooth and needs to be replaced.  I'll need a reverse cycle air unit (cool and heat).  I've looked at a couple of units in the 16K range. Our unit's so old, it would be difficult to recommend one make or the other.   Indepth checking will be your best friend.  And you may be at an advantage as you have a "clean slate" in that you're not dealing with a previously installed unit that may or may not have utilized the best placement of the unit or how the duct work was run.
Bill
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:32 pm
				by Rockxx
				Thanks Bill. The 28' has fwd/aft seating and the area under the aft seating is were I plan on installing the unit. I can pull the boat long enough to install tru hull fittings and go from there, if I can find a reasonable unit. If not I guess I'll spend the night at home in July and August. I believe I can get by with 8,000 btu's the majority if the time.
Rockxx
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:18 am
				by Roger2
				In my 37 aftcabin, I just replaced the old 16,000 BTU with 18,000.  Not that much different in price, put in a bigger unit, you won't be sorry.
My 2 cents,
Roger
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:35 pm
				by keldridge
				I just bought a 1966 31 Express and it has factory HVAC. It is located under the seat on the left backing up to the head. In that location it is barely noticed. The vents are a "faux wood" located in the wood seat base.  I had added HVAC to one of my earlier boats, a 28 Carver, and I had located it to about the same area and as a bonus it was small enough that it ran on an inverter.
Here is the issue. What are you wanting to cool? When I installed the HVAC under the seat in the lounge I would have to turn it to "freeze your ass off" to cool it in the berth. When I refit my Marinette I will either keep it under the seat and run a flexi duct through the bilge to the berth area or mount it further forward and direct duct it into the berth. For our use we usually don't get down at the cabin much until bedtime unless the weather turns foul.
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:49 pm
				by ericinga
				I added a Flagship Marine 16.5K BTU unit to our 28' Express last year.  It is a great unit.  Here's the reason I bought it:
- Their consumer units are built like their commercial and military units.  Very solid construction.  Much more robust than other units.
- All of the electronics are solid state so there are no computers or circuit boards to worry about.  Most expensive electronic component is under $50. A neighbor with a Dometic unit spent close to $1,000 replacing the control board.  Replacing the entire unit was $1,800.
- Heat is provided by a resistance coil rather than a reverse cycle heat pump.
- Will work with a 2,000W generator.  I use a Honda 3000 Handi Generator.
It has worked great. We boat in the Atlanta are with 100+ degree days in the summer.  The 16.5K BTUs make the cabin an ice box.
Eric
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:20 pm
				by Rockxx
				Thanks Eric. I'm still trying to decide what to do as far as air conditioning is concerned. I'll pull some information on Flagship Marine and check it out.
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:57 am
				by ericinga
				Here's the specs and cost from Flagship. 
System Detail  Eric  Spies -  03.25.15  – final 
$1529.00  (1)  FM16R,  new,  115/1/60,  side  discharge,  w/  Digital  Control,  240  GPH  reqd.,  20023 
$    179.95 (1) heat coil,  installed,  115v,  2kw 
$    550.00 (1) Deluxe  Install  Kit  (see  list  below) 
$             0.00  (1)  Controller,  FM20515  (included  w/  unit) $             $            
 $  0.00  (1)  pump,  MS580,  115v,  320  GPH @ 5’ max head psi (included with kit) 0.00  (1)  Plenum  (3) 4"  discharge  collar,  70193  (included  with  kit) 7.65  (1)  Marelon  upgrade,  3/4”  thru  hull  assembly 
$  30.32 (1) Marelon upgrade, 3/4”  ball  valve  upgrade $    141.90 LTL Shipping to  commercial  address  below  (lift  gate  requested,  call  before  delivery) 
$2438.82 total
			 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:38 am
				by aaronrodg
				It would be cool if they made headers for marine engines.. Someone probably does or some marine equivalent. I'd try to jack up your 318s hp (without adding too much strain) and change your prop.  I use a Kohler generator because 
kohler generator parts are easily available.
 
			
					
				Re: Marine Air
				Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:53 pm
				by bill